i mean, you know, you really -- these are complicated environments and you have to have a feeling for people and the built to deal with people and be trusted. i think at a place like -- you have to be a superb scholar and teacher and well respected. because -- people have to respect you if they come from an academic -- >> you leading the most talented intellectuals in the world. and they want somebody they can respect as a conversation partner. and i think it's out of th)iá large faculty a couple of thousand people there better be a few who can lead. and my job is to find them. one of my jobs is to pick the talent, give them committee assignments and administrative jobs that would bring out the talent. >> do you have any idea what bart giamatti saw in you? >> i don't know, i was well organized. >> his provost, bilbray national guard, was a mentor of mine and i think bill sort of called me to his attention and it was to bill that i got to know him and got very important assignments even in the university so in may you'll preside over the graduation for the last time. what do you hope